Utilità di Artfacts

[arteok]

È chiaro che se il data base di ogni artista ha delle carenze, questo si ripercuote sul ranking che a quel punto non sarà quello corretto in base ai loro algoritmi di calcolo.

Al netto di ciò, che ho verificato riguarda moltissimi artisti, è utile principalmente per analisi "overall" cioè per capire quando un artista è manifestamente sopravalutato o sottovalutato dal mercato delle quotazioni rispetto al suo valore artistico riconosciuto in giro per il mondo

Insomma è un buon indice della notorietà di cui gode un'artista nel mondo, al di là di quanto viene sbandierato in Italia da chi ha interesse a vendere certi artisti...

 

[chiro60]

Grazie Arteok, in passato guardando alcuni ranking notavo che Picasso e' al 2, Beuys al 3, tra i primi 10 vi sono Michelangelo , Rembtandt, quindi artisti di altre epoche e ci può stare come scala e indicazioni generali.

Alcuni punti critici sono:

1) completezza database
2) sarebbe interessante sapere qualcosa in più sulla metodologia si calcolo , come attribuiscono i pesi alle esposizioni in musei, gallerie importanti , giudizi critici ...viene considerata anche la presenza su testi di critica ? Boh
3) il problema e' che da info sullo stato attuale ma non sul futuro posizionamento (ovvio) mi spiego : se un artista viene riscoperto (come spesso avviene) nn fornisce indicazioni utili in quanto le esposizione in istituzioni museali andranno aumentando, incrementando gradualmente la posizione nel ranking

Quindi su può azzardare qualche conclusione
1) sembra funzionare discretamente per artisti che sono fortmente
Sottovalutati (cioè hanno GIÀ presenze importanti in musei da sempre e sono alti come ranking ma costano molto poco) ,
2) molto meno per artisti che vengono riscoperti e il cui ranking , inevitabilmente , aumenterà nel corso del tempo
3) come osservi giustamente tu fornisce COMUNQUE indicazioni di carattere generale

 

[arteok]

Grazie Arteok, in passato guardando alcuni ranking notavo che Picasso e' al 2, Beuys al 3, tra i primi 10 vi sono Michelangelo , Rembtandt, quindi artisti di altre epoche e ci può stare come scala e indicazioni generali.

Alcuni punti critici sono:

1) completezza database
2) sarebbe interessante sapere qualcosa in più sulla metodologia si calcolo , come attribuiscono i pesi alle esposizioni in musei, gallerie importanti , giudizi critici ...viene considerata anche la presenza su testi di critica ? Boh
3) il problema e' che da info sullo stato attuale ma non sul futuro posizionamento (ovvio) mi spiego : se un artista viene riscoperto (come spesso avviene) nn fornisce indicazioni utili in quanto le esposizione in istituzioni museali andranno aumentando, incrementando gradualmente la posizione nel ranking

Quindi su può azzardare qualche conclusione
1) sembra funzionare discretamente per artisti che sono fortmente
Sottovalutati (cioè hanno GIÀ presenze importanti in musei da sempre e sono alti come ranking ma costano molto poco) ,
2) molto meno per artisti che vengono riscoperti e il cui ranking , inevitabilmente , aumenterà nel corso del tempo
3) come osservi giustamente tu fornisce COMUNQUE indicazioni di carattere generale

Credo che nel tempo abbiano raffinato e migliorato l'analisi perché ora non ci sono più nomi come Michelangelo e Leonardo, nel senso che probabilmente hanno compartimentato per settori storici l'analisi.

Da quanto ho potuto vedere non vengono considerati i testi critici (che spesso sappiamo possono essere prezzolati), ma solo le mostre (separando tra personali e collettive), le presenze in istruzioni museali e gallerie che trattano l'artista.

I primi due punti (mostre e musei) vengono poi pesati a seconda della loro importanza e rilevanza (ma non so come...) di fatto per tenere conto che se un'artista è presente nel museo di Casamicciola ha un peso che non è lo stesso se è esposto al Moma o alla Tate...

 

[arteok]

Provo a riportare il ranking dei primi 100 artisti ad oggi:

Top 100by Surnameby Ranking
Name Ranking 2015 Points 2015 Links
Andy Warhol 1928-1987 US 1 ±0 55,611.86 -2,761.99 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Pablo Picasso 1881-1973 ES 2 ±0 37,182.13 -1,978.77 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Bruce Nauman *1941 (75) US 3 ±0 32,071.04 -1,119.23 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Joseph Beuys 1921-1986 DE 4 ±0 29,188.30 -3,041.01 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Gerhard Richter *1932 (84) DE 5 ±0 29,147.31 -2,152.01 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
John Baldessari *1931 (85) US 6 ±0 24,087.85 -2,807.17 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Lawrence Weiner *1942 (74) US 7 ±0 23,745.89 -2,448.67 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Cindy Sherman *1954 (62) US 8 ±0 23,655.66 -2,142.95 Works of art Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Sol LeWitt 1928-2007 US 9 ±0 22,724.97 -1,774.27 Works of art Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Ed Ruscha *1937 (79) US 10 ±0 22,659.61 -1,121.30 Works of art Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Thomas Ruff *1958 (58) DE 11 ±0 20,978.70 -1,397.50 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Robert Rauschenberg 1925-2008 US 12 ±0 20,592.33 -1,568.39 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Louise Bourgeois 1911-2010 FR 13 +1 20,451.26 +144.95 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Sigmar Polke 1941-2010 DE 14 +1 20,153.03 -30.43 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Georg Baselitz *1938 (78) DE 15 +2 19,500.78 -209.32 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Francis Alys *1959 (57) BE 16 -3 19,344.72 -1,074.52 Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Rosemarie Trockel *1952 (64) DE 17 -1 19,173.69 -950.68 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Erwin Wurm *1954 (62) AT 18 +2 19,106.28 +162.51 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
William Kentridge *1955 (61) ZA 19 ±0 18,337.12 -913.86 Works of art Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Man Ray 1890-1976 US 20 -2 18,014.45 -1,406.09 Works of art Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Roy Lichtenstein 1923-1997 US 21 +7 17,255.88 -551.97 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Franz West 1947-2012 AT 22 +2 17,250.96 -911.15 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Dieter Roth 1930-1998 DE, CH 23 +6 17,052.14 -387.77 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Harun Farocki 1944-2014 DE 24 +16 16,952.86 +792.49 Video & Texts Analysis
Wolfgang Tillmans *1968 (48) DE 25 +6 16,759.54 -497.92 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Richard Serra *1939 (77) US 26 +1 16,757.90 -1,175.19 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Mike Kelley 1954-2012 US 27 -4 16,631.93 -1,598.72 Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Marcel Duchamp 1887-1968 FR 28 -7 16,630.99 -2,051.43 Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Fischli & Weiss CH 29 -7 16,550.84 -1,906.13 Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Ai Weiwei *1957 (59) CN 30 +6 16,486.08 -148.72 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Dan Graham *1942 (74) US 31 -6 16,289.48 -1,759.96 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Hans-Peter Feldmann *1941 (75) DE 32 -2 16,135.59 -1,194.93 Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Christian Marclay *1955 (61) CH, US 33 +5 16,030.90 -275.24 Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Douglas Gordon *1966 (50) UK 34 -8 16,003.70 -1,996.54 Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Olafur Eliasson *1967 (49) DK 35 +2 15,746.13 -871.66 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Marina Abramovic *1946 (70) RS 36 -4 15,619.35 -1,565.71 Works of art Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Martin Kippenberger 1953-1997 DE 37 -4 15,602.74 -1,480.80 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Marcel Broodthaers 1924-1976 BE 38 +6 15,423.27 -222.40 Works of art Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Nam June Paik 1932-2006 US, KR 39 +2 15,404.36 -681.85 Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Damien Hirst *1965 (51) UK 40 -6 15,399.40 -1,336.58 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Henri Matisse 1869-1954 FR 41 -2 15,189.83 -1,035.97 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Paul McCarthy *1945 (71) US 42 -7 15,184.96 -1,511.10 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Yayoi Kusama *1929 (87) JP 43 +5 15,024.00 -10.60 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Mona Hatoum *1952 (64) LB 44 +7 14,993.71 +7.71 Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Valie Export *1940 (76) AT 45 ±0 14,971.70 -645.40 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Paul Klee 1879-1940 DE, CH 46 -4 14,966.23 -1,071.17 Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Carl Andre *1935 (81) US 47 ±0 14,765.57 -564.15 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Gordon Matta-Clark 1943-1978 US 48 +7 14,611.73 -136.71 Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Martha Rosler *1943 (73) US 49 +10 14,551.97 +385.10 Works of art Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Arnulf Rainer *1929 (87) AT 50 -7 14,487.54 -1,258.91 Works of art Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Anselm Kiefer *1945 (71) DE 51 -5 14,428.03 -1,153.52 Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Tacita Dean *1965 (51) UK 52 ±0 14,104.92 -870.90 Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Felix Gonzalez-Torres 1957-1996 CU 53 ±0 14,089.29 -826.25 Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Thomas Struth *1954 (62) DE 54 ±0 14,014.95 -875.98 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Heimo Zobernig *1958 (58) AT 55 +38 13,935.89 +1,441.79 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Andreas Gursky *1955 (61) DE 56 +1 13,878.32 -595.96 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Jasper Johns *1930 (86) US 57 -1 13,767.74 -827.74 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Anri Sala *1974 (42) FR, AL 58 -8 13,471.23 -1,516.32 Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Thomas Schütte *1954 (62) DE 59 +7 13,333.93 -316.94 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Nan Goldin *1953 (63) US 60 -11 13,297.84 -1,692.00 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
David Hockney *1937 (79) UK 61 +23 13,242.20 +274.34 Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Isa Genzken *1948 (68) DE 62 +26 13,207.18 +537.73 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Alighiero Boëtti 1940-1994 IT 63 -3 13,205.29 -925.99 Works of art Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Imi Knoebel *1940 (76) DE 64 +8 13,174.04 -320.12 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Alex Katz *1927 (89) US 65 +11 13,058.88 -301.52 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Jenny Holzer *1950 (66) US 66 -5 13,051.07 -1,016.88 Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Gabriel Orozco *1962 (54) MX 67 ±0 12,994.28 -645.16 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
François Morellet *1926 (90) FR 68 -4 12,984.08 -732.62 Works of art Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Max Ernst 1891-1976 DE 69 +9 12,976.17 -309.37 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Gilbert & George UK 70 -5 12,953.33 -750.05 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Rodney Graham *1949 (67) CA 71 -13 12,942.81 -1,513.76 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Yoko Ono *1933 (83) JP 72 +18 12,798.09 +220.50 Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Joan Miró 1893-1983 ES 73 +2 12,790.20 -570.37 Works of art Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Wassily Kandinsky 1866-1944 RU 74 -5 12,703.71 -864.77 Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Alberto Giacometti 1901-1966 CH 75 -7 12,694.82 -889.19 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Robert Mapplethorpe 1946-1989 US 76 -14 12,684.62 -1,191.00 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Richard Prince *1949 (67) US 77 -3 12,651.34 -799.62 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Claes Oldenburg *1929 (87) SE, US 78 +3 12,649.77 -442.30 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Hiroshi Sugimoto *1948 (68) JP 79 -8 12,621.15 -918.38 Works of art Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Josef Albers 1888-1976 DE 80 -3 12,619.54 -721.47 Works of art Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Christian Boltanski *1944 (72) FR 81 -8 12,516.16 -953.20 Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Lucio Fontana 1899-1968 IT, AR 82 ±0 12,314.49 -714.45 Works of art Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Tony Cragg *1949 (67) UK 83 +2 12,273.41 -616.28 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Thomas Hirschhorn *1957 (59) CH 84 +2 12,195.23 -604.59 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Jonathan Monk *1969 (47) UK 85 -22 12,125.88 -1,677.13 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Donald Judd 1928-1994 US 86 -16 12,089.66 -1,472.63 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Jeff Koons *1955 (61) US 87 ±0 11,985.22 -729.79 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Richard Long *1945 (71) UK 88 +7 11,974.89 -478.87 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Alfredo Jaar *1956 (60) CL 89 -6 11,932.34 -1,067.04 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Jimmie Durham *1940 (76) US 90 +14 11,923.23 +67.73 Works of art Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Vik Muniz *1961 (55) BR 91 -12 11,862.80 -1,358.74 Works of art Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
John M Armleder *1948 (68) CH 92 -12 11,822.19 -1,294.02 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Günther Uecker *1930 (86) DE 93 +14 11,770.39 -26.95 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Dan Flavin 1933-1996 US 94 -3 11,499.72 -1,045.16 Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Liam Gillick *1964 (52) UK 95 +2 11,477.10 -762.18 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Michelangelo Pistoletto *1933 (83) IT 96 -4 11,453.78 -1,065.10 Works of art Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Jannis Kounellis *1936 (80) IT, GR 97 +12 11,444.05 -229.25 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Ellsworth Kelly *1923 (93) US 98 -2 11,431.96 -855.70 Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Vito Acconci *1940 (76) US 99 -10 11,431.42 -1,207.54 Works of art Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis
Jeff Wall *1946 (70) CA 100 -2 11,280.07 -936.54 Video & Texts Auctions (Art prices, art appraisal - Search free) Analysis

 

[arteok]

Essendo tutto ciò fuori ot chiedo a Brixia di spostare tutti questi interventi magari in un altro 3D apposito, grazie

 

[Alessandro Celli]

Prendo spunto dalla preziosa conversazione di Arteok
per riportare qui alcuni Suoi contributi:



L'utilità di Artfacts, al di là di alcuni limiti come carenze di aggiornamenti, è data dal fatto che consente di mettere a confronto l'importanza artistica tra 2 o più artisti e poi trarne alcune conclusioni sul loro apprezzamento commerciale in termini di prezzi: è così possibile analizzare se ci possano essere delle incoerenze tra i prezzi e i valori artistici: il caso Scheggi al riguardo mi sembra veramente eclatante


Posso riportarti quanto da loro detto in proposito:

Artist Ranking
Have you ever felt overwhelmed by the sheer variety of contemporary art production? We have always felt challenged by this, particularly due to the fact that so much of the time great art is discovered by accident.

This is why we began structuring the mass of information available on art production today. The first thing we created was the widely appreciated online art guide, ArtFacts.Net™ where we compiled tens of thousands of artists, exhibitions and institutions into a comprehensive and easy-to-use online tool.

In spite of its success, we were not completely satisfied with the system of listing artists alphabetically. We were eager to devise and exploit even more effective ways to organise artists and their exhibitions. So, we asked ourselves if it would be possible to predict an artist's career using econometrical methods.

The aim of the Artist Ranking system is to arrange artists by their exhibition success. The Artist Ranking Tool evaluates exhibitions held on an international level since 1996.

The theoretical basis of the Artist Ranking Tool pays homage to the the so-called economy of attention (after a book from Georg Franck). Franck says that attention (fame) in the cultural world is an economy that works along the same lines as capitalism.

Capitalist, or economic, behaviour is based on property, lending money and charging interest. For Franck, the curator (also the museum director or the gallery owner) acts as a financial investor. The curator/investor lends their property (their exhibition space and their fame) to an artist from whom they expect a return on their investment in the form of more attention (reputation, fame etc).

Therefore, the relationship between gallery owner and artist relates to that between investor and entrepreneur. The investor puts his money into companies from which he expects to gain rewards. This is always a mixed bag, where a few succeed and pay for the investment in others not so achieving.

The Artist Ranking Tool cannot judge the work of a specific artist, it works by ordering artists according to the professional attention that is invested in them. It provides the wider audience with a feeling for the standing of a particular artist in the eyes of the professionals but is not reflective of the artist's actual economic success. ArtFacts.Net™ acknowledges that there might be a correlation between fame and money but this is not the method of calculation behind the Artist Ranking tool.

The Artist Ranking Tool places great importance on the international representation of artists. Only artists operating in established structures will be chosen as a primary value source. The reason why the Artist Ranking Tool has been built this way is because we at ArtFacts.Net™ recognise the value of mutual knowledge in the art world.

Career Analyser
The Career Analyser Tool examines an artist's career in the ranking system from two further perspectives: the position in the ranking and the score for each exhibition - both results are calculated over the years. The last object of the analysis is the "Peer Group": on the basis of the different ranking careers, we detect the artist's artistic entourage, that is the artists alongside whom he/she usually exhibits in group exhibitions.


Ulteriori dettagli:

Professional Analytics
ArtFacts.Net™'s artist Career Analysing Tool is unique in the art world. The artist career analyser calculates and evaluates the exhibitions of every artist in our database and compares the results on a yearly basis. The simple thesis is that the greater number of shows the artist has the greater the will be the fame of a particular artist. Familiarity generates demand.

Based on the idea that the exhibition career of an artist can predict the market career of an artist, ArtFacts.Net™ developed the artist Career Analysing Tool.

Our tool is aimed at art professionals, providing them with the ability to monitor the career of hundreds of thousands of contemporary artists by visualising key market information.

The Career Analysing Tool reveals two graphs. The first graph visualises the artists exhibition career and the second one his/her auction career.

The art professional can monitor up to four artists in one graph to compare their exhibition and market careers.

Furthermore, a trend line can be added and the time frame can be adjusted.

Career Analyser
The Career Analyser Tool examines an artist's career in the ranking system from two further perspectives: the position in the ranking and the score for each exhibition - both results are calculated over the years. The last object of the analysis is the "Peer Group": on the basis of the different ranking careers, we detect the artist's artistic entourage that is the artists with whom he/she usually exhibits in group exhibitions.

Working with the secondary market data starting from 2000 (source MutualArt.com - The Web's Largest Art Information Service.), ArtFacts.Net™, in collaboration with ArtTactic, made it possible to have a detailed and in depth analysis of an artist's career in the auction market and produced the Auction Analyser Tool.

The tool examines the following aspects: quantitative analysis, localisation and characterisation of the markets; sales volumes, top sells, beaten prices and bids; absolute and average values relative to the used medium and the period of production; analysis of the "Peer Group".

The Analytical Section combines a transparent and complete set of instruments that have been designed to help people, both professionals and art-lovers, orientate themselves in the world of modern and contemporary art. The end results show the market's development without distortions and without answering to a logic of commercial or personal interest. We do not pass criticism on artists, we only place an analytic and cognitive tool at your disposal.

 

[Alessandro Celli]

Chiedo scusa se ho fatto un pò di confusione
nell'assemblare i post

ma l'intenzione credo sia ancora compresa

E ringrazio Arteok

 

[arteok]

Chiedo scusa se ho fatto un pò di confusione
nell'assemblare i post

ma l'intenzione credo sia ancora compresa

E ringrazio Arteok

Grazie Alessandro e complimenti per essere riuscito nell'impresa di enucleare la discussione

 

[artepassion]

riporto riassumendo quanto scritto in altro argomento ove ero off topic:
Le classifiche di artfacts sono influenzate sostanzialmente ed essenzialmente dai dati sulle mostre che sono comunicate dagli stessi galleristi ed istituzioni collegati/ iscritti ad artfacts.
In sostanza ci possono essere mostre internazionali di un determinato artista non censite perchè non comunicate in quanto la galleria o un determinato museo/istituzione non sono iscritti ad artfacts o seppur collegati ad artfacts ( mi riferisco ad un museo/Istituzione) non rilasciano informazioni complete sui partecipanti di una determinata mostra.
In definitiva di alcuni artisti c'è quasi tutto per volontà/interesse di taluni galleristi e mercanti iscritti ad artfacts pronti a segnalare l'evento e questo porta di conseguenza ad una ascesa del ranking mentre di altri artisti c'è molto ma molto meno anche se sono importantissimi e con mostre in essere altrettanto importanti ma non censite, questi ultimi avranno un ranking più basso.
Artfacts in definitiva può esssere utile ma bisogna essere in grado di saper leggere il dato per non prendere fischi per fiaschi, cioè tarando quando c'è da tarare come pure nell'andare oltre quando si è di fronte ad un dato al ribasso inverosimile. Per fare questo tipo di valutazione bisogna conoscere perché la conoscenza è alla base di tutto.
Il dato di artfacts preso così com'è a mio avviso serve assai a ben poco anzi in alcuni casi è decisamente fuorviante.
Saluti

 

[arteok]

Riporto per correttezza il post da cui si è poi originato il presente 3D:

per cercare di oggetivizzare questa discussione ho fatto un controllo su artfacts (alla data odierna) ed il ranking di tali artisti (in base solo alla loro storia artistica intesa come presenza in mostre e musei, oltre alle mostre a venire che danno la tendenza rappresentata da + o -) è la seguente (condita con altri nomi giusto per misurarne i rapporti relativi):

Wharol 1
boetti 63 -
pistoletto 96 -
colombo 712 +
calzolari 756 -
castellani 792 -
rotella 798 -
nannucci 834 +
baruchello 951 +
dadamaino 1.040 +
dorazio 1.833 -
alviani 1.849 -
bonalumi 1.886 +
uncini 2.342 -
biasi 2.500 +
garutti 2.530 -
varisco 2.851 -
griffa 2.918 +
mondino 3.368 +
agnetti 3.756 +
simeti 4.755 +
pinelli 15.002 +

io spero che me la cavo....

 

[chiro60]

Riporto per correttezza il post da cui si è poi originato il presente 3D:

per cercare di oggetivizzare questa discussione ho fatto un controllo su artfacts (alla data odierna) ed il ranking di tali artisti (in base solo alla loro storia artistica intesa come presenza in mostre e musei, oltre alle mostre a venire che danno la tendenza rappresentata da + o -) è la seguente (condita con altri nomi giusto per misurarne i rapporti relativi):

Wharol 1
boetti 63 -
pistoletto 96 -
colombo 712 +
calzolari 756 -
castellani 792 -
rotella 798 -
nannucci 834 +
baruchello 951 +
dadamaino 1.040 +
dorazio 1.833 -
alviani 1.849 -
bonalumi 1.886 +
uncini 2.342 -
biasi 2.500 +
garutti 2.530 -
varisco 2.851 -
griffa 2.918 +
mondino 3.368 +
agnetti 3.756 +
simeti 4.755 +
pinelli 15.002 +

io spero che me la cavo....

comunque, non so potrà mai sapere credo, ma mi piacerebbe molto avere maggiori dettagli su come calcolano il tutto...il peso che danno alle esposizioni nei musei, nelle manifestazioni importanti. Così magari uno si potrebbe fidare di più, in questo modo bisogna prendere tutto per buono e risulta un tantino difficile.
Non dico i dettagli del calcolo, ma almeno in linea di massima capire il meccanismo

 

[arteok]

comunque, non so potrà mai sapere credo, ma mi piacerebbe molto avere maggiori dettagli su come calcolano il tutto...il peso che danno alle esposizioni nei musei, nelle manifestazioni importanti. Così magari uno si potrebbe fidare di più, in questo modo bisogna prendere tutto per buono e risulta un tantino difficile.
Non dico i dettagli del calcolo, ma almeno in linea di massima capire il meccanismo

Ho trovato questo, che forse spiega meglio a grandi linee il meccanismo:

Professional Analytics
ArtFacts.Net™'s artist Career Analysing Tool is unique in the art world. The artist career analyser calculates and evaluates the exhibitions of every artist in our database and compares the results on a yearly basis. The simple thesis is that the greater number of shows the artist has the greater the will be the fame of a particular artist. Familiarity generates demand.

Based on the idea that the exhibition career of an artist can predict the market career of an artist, ArtFacts.Net™ developed the artist Career Analysing Tool.

Our tool is aimed at art professionals, providing them with the ability to monitor the career of hundreds of thousands of contemporary artists by visualising key market information.

The Career Analysing Tool reveals two graphs. The first graph visualises the artists exhibition career and the second one his/her auction career.

The art professional can monitor up to four artists in one graph to compare their exhibition and market careers.

Furthermore, a trend line can be added and the time frame can be adjusted.

Career Analyser
The Career Analyser Tool examines an artist's career in the ranking system from two further perspectives: the position in the ranking and the score for each exhibition - both results are calculated over the years. The last object of the analysis is the "Peer Group": on the basis of the different ranking careers, we detect the artist's artistic entourage that is the artists with whom he/she usually exhibits in group exhibitions.

Working with the secondary market data starting from 2000 (source MutualArt.com - The Web's Largest Art Information Service.), ArtFacts.Net™, in collaboration with ArtTactic, made it possible to have a detailed and in depth analysis of an artist's career in the auction market and produced the Auction Analyser Tool.

The tool examines the following aspects: quantitative analysis, localisation and characterisation of the markets; sales volumes, top sells, beaten prices and bids; absolute and average values relative to the used medium and the period of production; analysis of the "Peer Group".

The Analytical Section combines a transparent and complete set of instruments that have been designed to help people, both professionals and art-lovers, orientate themselves in the world of modern and contemporary art. The end results show the market's development without distortions and without answering to a logic of commercial or personal interest. We do not pass criticism on artists, we only place an analytic and cognitive tool at your disposal.

 

[morto]

Ever wondered how ArtFacts.Net's ranking system works?

We don't use auction sales to determine the rank of an artist, we base rankings on the exhibitions artists have and the galleries who show them.
A points system awards artists with points for the exhibitions they have; the more significant the museums, galleries and institutions they show with the more points they accrue, improving their ranking.
The graph and tables above gives an example of how the points system works.
The artist Berlinde De Bruyck's ranking rose sharply in the year 2013, when she exhibited at the Venice Biennale. As one of the world’s most important art events, the Venice Biennale receives 400 ArtFacts.Net points.

 

[arteok]

ever wondered how artfacts.net's ranking system works?

We don't use auction sales to determine the rank of an artist, we base rankings on the exhibitions artists have and the galleries who show them.
A points system awards artists with points for the exhibitions they have; the more significant the museums, galleries and institutions they show with the more points they accrue, improving their ranking.
The graph and tables above gives an example of how the points system works.
The artist berlinde de bruyck's ranking rose sharply in the year 2013, when she exhibited at the venice biennale. As one of the world’s most important art events, the venice biennale receives 400 artfacts.net points.

 

[Marione_]

con tutti i limiti quasi inevitabili di incompletezza di un data base "complesso" e di discrezionalità dei criteri e dei pesi utilizzati, una bella ""sgrossata" a mio avviso la fornisce

un es. per testare lo strumento...:
confrontare Arman e Scheggi
ripetere il test ogni 5 anni, valutando anche il relativo andamento del mercato

 

[artepassion]

così tanto per tirar fuori 9 nomi che mi sono venuti in mente :

Alberto Burri 1185+
kazuo Shiraga 1667+
Ben Nicholson 1856 +
Serge Poliakoff 2091-
Naum Gabo 2630 -
Lynn Chadwick 3457-
William Scott 5732 -
Victor Pasmore 9187-

Ditemi che credibilità hanno questi ranking.
Andate a vedere poi di questi 9 le mostre recenti (non su artfacts) e musei ove sono presenti e poi successivamente andate a vedere come stanno andando le loro quotazioni nelle aste tenendo presente il medio/ultimo periodo analizzando bene il dato.

 

[artepassion]

comunque, non so potrà mai sapere credo, ma mi piacerebbe molto avere maggiori dettagli su come calcolano il tutto...il peso che danno alle esposizioni nei musei, nelle manifestazioni importanti. Così magari uno si potrebbe fidare di più, in questo modo bisogna prendere tutto per buono e risulta un tantino difficile.
Non dico i dettagli del calcolo, ma almeno in linea di massima capire il meccanismo

guarda che l'ho scritto in neretto
le mostre segnalate sono fondamentali.....

 

[artepassion]

Yacov Agam 2911 -

 

[Alessandro Celli]

Yacov Agam 2911 -

dite quel che volete di Lui
ma per me Artepassion è un mito

 

[-artpop-]

Yacov Agam 2911 -

Più basso di Biasi