GM & GMAC lotta per la sopravvivenza. Volume 8

Methos · 03-07-08, 16:05

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Io sono dell'opinione di qusto qui sotto

GM Going Bankrupt? I Don't Buy It And Here's Why
Posted By:Phil LeBeau
Just when you think, "How much worse can it get for General Motors, along comes a day like yesterday. When Merrill Lynch downgraded the stock and said "bankruptcy is not an impossibility" for the automaker what was already a horrific slide became even worse.

The sell-off of GM stock makes you think it's a foregone conclusion this company is going belly up.

be careful. This company may be in a crisis, but that does not mean bankruptcy is likely in the near future.

How can I be so sure? My belief is based on two things. First, this company has plenty of cash to get through this year and if it needs more next year, it has several options. The bottom line is this company has the resources to ride out this terrible stretch. At some point these guys will need to get the revenue and sales to support their turnaround, and whether or not that happens is still unclear. But before they throw in the towel, they have the time and resources to make a serious run at turning things around.

The second reason I don't expect GM to go bankrupt is because this company's leaders will likely act on their own, before they have someone else (creditors) call the shots. If that means finding an alliance or third party to inject more money into the company, then that's what they'll do. You get the idea. They'll pick their poison before letting someone else do it.

Bottom line: be careful buying into the bankruptcy talk surrounding GM. Sure these guys are in major financial bind, and the future looks bleak. But they can get out of it and will try several options to raise cash before chapter 11 become the best option.

Methos · 03-07-08, 16:20

GM May Sell New Mini-Cars to U.S. Buyers, People Say (Update1)

By Jeff Green

July 3 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp., the automaker that popularized the Hummer, may sell a mini-car four feet (1.2 meters) shorter than its biggest offering and more than a foot shorter than anything else it markets in the U.S. to win back buyers scared off by high fuel prices.

GM may bring the production version of the Chevrolet Beat to the U.S., people familiar with the plan said. The car, which would normally be reserved for markets such as Asia and Latin America, gets as much as 40 miles a gallon, a fuel efficiency topped in the U.S. only by hybrids.

The possible American introduction of the Beat would be one step in a fleet downsizing and shift away from fossil fuel-based vehicles that the people said is already under way at Detroit- based GM. Resigned to $4-a-gallon gasoline and stricter pollution rules, the largest U.S. automaker has recognized that its response must go beyond the mothballing of large truck plants, the people said.

``This is a very big change for GM,'' said John Wolkonowicz, an analyst at Global Insight Inc. in Lexington, Massachusetts. ``They have no choice. There's never been as rapid a shift in consumer demand in the history of the auto industry.''

GM, turning 100 this year, has few options to re-inventing itself. The company reported its largest annual loss in 2007, $38.7 billion, after a tax accounting change, and hasn't had a profitable year since 2004. The carmaker's U.S. market share hovers at the lowest level since 1925, and last year GM was 3,000 cars away from being dethroned by Toyota Motor Corp. as the world's largest automaker.

Smaller Than Mattel

The company's current market value is smaller than that of Mattel Inc., maker of Matchbox cars, and a 10th what it was in 2000. A Merrill Lynch analyst said yesterday that a GM ``bankruptcy is not impossible if the market continues to deteriorate.''

GM rose 15 cents, or 1.2 percent, to $10.13 at 8:56 a.m. before regular New York Stock Exchange trading. Yesterday, GM fell 15 percent after Merrill downgraded the stock to ``underperform'' from ``buy.'' The price was the lowest since 1954 adjusted for splits, according to Global Financial Data in Los Angeles.

Besides the Beat, GM is weighing a list of options for refocusing its auto lineup on fuel efficiency rather than performance. They include the U.S. introduction of a small pickup popular in Latin America and an expansion of the number of versions of the Volt plug-in electric car, the people said.

GM is also trying to increase production and speed up availability of the successor to the Chevy Cobalt sedan and develop a fuel-efficient alternative to the Cadillac Escalade sport-utility vehicle, they said.

Portfolio Review

``We are looking at and reviewing our entire portfolio, not just because gasoline is $4 but because of stricter government fuel economy regulations,'' GM spokesman Dee Allen said, referring to U.S. requirements that automakers reduce fuel use 40 percent by 2020. He declined to discuss specific projects.

Already, GM has reassigned engineers to many of the projects, according to the people familiar with the planning. The company is taking them from SUV and truck programs suspended while awaiting the return of customers. Now, these people said, GM sees no point in waiting.

``This is the biggest change that we have seen at GM in three decades in terms of engineering,'' said Jim Hall, principal of 2953 Analytics, an automotive consulting firm in Birmingham, Michigan.

Close to Smart

The automaker unveiled the Beat as a prototype at the New York auto show in April 2007, along with two other 40 mpg Chevy small-car concepts. Besides two hybrid models, the only car in the U.S. that comes close to the Beat's projected fuel efficiency is Daimler AG's Smart car, with 36 mpg, according to Yahoo! Autos.

At about 138 inches (3505 millimeters) long, the Beat would be among the smallest cars sold in the U.S. Only the 106-inch Smart car is shorter.

Sales of the smallest cars in the U.S. have risen 31 percent in the first half this year as the industry total fell 10 percent and the largest SUVs 31 percent. GM reported a 21 percent plunge in U.S. sales of pickups, SUVs and vans for the first six months.

In November, GM said it approved a model based on the Beat prototype for markets outside the U.S. and Canada starting next year. GM wouldn't disclose where the new vehicle would be built.

GM may also expand the Volt electric car program, the people said. GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz, 76, said last month the company currently plans to build about 60,000 Volts a year after they go on sale in late 2010. The product is designed to drive 40 miles on a charge from a household outlet before an onboard engine recharges the battery.

Variation on the Volt

``The Volt is going to have far more variations than people imagine,'' said Hall, who studies GM's plans for future models.

The small pickup GM is considering for the U.S. would be similar to the Chevrolet Montana, according to the people with knowledge of the plans. The 174-inch Montana is sold in Brazil and in Mexico as the Tornado and in South Africa as the Opel Corsa Utility. The Chevrolet Colorado, GM's smallest U.S. pickup, is 192 inches.

Additionally, Cadillac is considering a smaller SUV, known internally as the MiniSlade, as a more fuel-efficient option to the large Escalade SUV.

To contact the reporter on this story: Jeff Green in Southfield, Michigan at jgreen16@bloomberg.net

anomalo · 03-07-08, 16:43

RISOLTO ecquivoco su pagamento cedola. io ho quelle in usd (giusto per farmi ancora più male...) ISIN US370442BT17
Mercato EuroTLX
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Emittente General Motors
Scadenza 15/07/2033
Tasso nominale annuo 8.375

Methos · 03-07-08, 16:57

Ringraziamo gli analisti che ci dicono che gm non và in ch 11 domani...

Certo che vedendo come operano capisco perchè le loro banche perdono mld.

Analyst: GM not in immediate danger of bankruptcy
Thursday July 3, 10:47 am ET
Analyst: General Motors not in immediate danger of bankruptcy, but will need to raise cash

DETROIT (AP) -- An auto analyst with JPMorgan says General Motors Corp. is not in danger of an imminent bankruptcy, but will need to raise about $10 billion in cash to weather the downturn in U.S. auto sales.
Analyst Himanshu Patel said Thursday in a conference call that fears of a bankruptcy have been overblown. GM's shares slid to a 54-year low Wednesday on worries about the company's cash needs and speculation about a bankruptcy filing.

GM shares are up 3.6 percent to $10.34 Thursday.

Patel says GM will likely seek more cash and announce further restructuring in the third quarter of this year.

But he says GM doesn't need the cash immediately, since it has enough to fund what he expects will be an $18 billion cash burn through 2009.

Methos · 03-07-08, 16:59

Ringraziamo anche Mr. Murphy analista della merrill per il terremoto di questi due giorni...

popov · 03-07-08, 17:01

ed infatti il gmac 2008 sta già a quasi 97 in lettera. ma pensavano davvero che fallisse oggi?

TheLondoner · 03-07-08, 17:01

ciao Methos

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Methos · 03-07-08, 17:02

Citazione:

Originalmente inviato da popov

ed infatti il gmac 2008 sta già a quasi 97 in lettera. ma pensavano davvero che fallisse oggi?

quando c'è panico non si capisce più nulla. Sono troppo esposto su gmac se no oggi avrei comprato l'iradidio...

i98mark · 03-07-08, 17:03

Domani è il 4 di luglio, per gli americani è la tipica data di inzio delle ferie (sebbene lì siano molto più scaglionate ecc. ecc.)

Il petrolio è, guarda caso, ai massimi (e i prezzi alla pompa pure...)

I prezzi delle case automobilistiche ai loro minimi 50ennali (i loro conti fanno schifo, va bene, ma anche 9 mesi fa facevano schifo, e si prevedeva che i primi due trimestri USA sarebbero stati di recessione, che invece, per ora, ancora non si è vista).

Dormo molto bene non avendo i bond del 3D in portafoglio, però la cosa non mi convince ... solo congetture, intendiamoci...

Methos · 03-07-08, 17:04

Citazione:

Originalmente inviato da i98mark

Domani è il 4 di luglio, per gli americani è la tipica data di inzio delle ferie (sebbene lì siano molto più scaglionate ecc. ecc.)

Il petrolio è, guarda caso, ai massimi (e i prezzi alla pompa pure...)

I prezzi delle case automobilistiche ai loro minimi 50ennali (i loro conti fanno schifo, va bene, ma anche 9 mesi fa facevano schifo, e si prevedeva che i primi due trimestri USA sarebbero stati di recessione, che invece, per ora, ancora non si è vista).

Dormo molto bene non avendo i bond del 3D in portafoglio, però la cosa non mi convince ... solo congetture, intendiamoci...

cosa non ti convince?

03-07-08, 16:05	#1 (permalink)
Methos Member Data registrazione: May 2002 Messaggi: 6,391 Popolarità: 42949683	GM & GMAC lotta per la sopravvivenza. Volume 8 Si riparte da qui. Giornata pesantissima. Io sono dell'opinione di qusto qui sotto GM Going Bankrupt? I Don't Buy It And Here's Why Posted By:Phil LeBeau Just when you think, "How much worse can it get for General Motors, along comes a day like yesterday. When Merrill Lynch downgraded the stock and said "bankruptcy is not an impossibility" for the automaker what was already a horrific slide became even worse. The sell-off of GM stock makes you think it's a foregone conclusion this company is going belly up. be careful. This company may be in a crisis, but that does not mean bankruptcy is likely in the near future. How can I be so sure? My belief is based on two things. First, this company has plenty of cash to get through this year and if it needs more next year, it has several options. The bottom line is this company has the resources to ride out this terrible stretch. At some point these guys will need to get the revenue and sales to support their turnaround, and whether or not that happens is still unclear. But before they throw in the towel, they have the time and resources to make a serious run at turning things around. The second reason I don't expect GM to go bankrupt is because this company's leaders will likely act on their own, before they have someone else (creditors) call the shots. If that means finding an alliance or third party to inject more money into the company, then that's what they'll do. You get the idea. They'll pick their poison before letting someone else do it. Bottom line: be careful buying into the bankruptcy talk surrounding GM. Sure these guys are in major financial bind, and the future looks bleak. But they can get out of it and will try several options to raise cash before chapter 11 become the best option.

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Methos Member Data registrazione: May 2002 Messaggi: 6,391 Popolarità: 42949683	GM May Sell New Mini-Cars to U.S. Buyers, People Say (Update1) By Jeff Green July 3 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp., the automaker that popularized the Hummer, may sell a mini-car four feet (1.2 meters) shorter than its biggest offering and more than a foot shorter than anything else it markets in the U.S. to win back buyers scared off by high fuel prices. GM may bring the production version of the Chevrolet Beat to the U.S., people familiar with the plan said. The car, which would normally be reserved for markets such as Asia and Latin America, gets as much as 40 miles a gallon, a fuel efficiency topped in the U.S. only by hybrids. The possible American introduction of the Beat would be one step in a fleet downsizing and shift away from fossil fuel-based vehicles that the people said is already under way at Detroit- based GM. Resigned to $4-a-gallon gasoline and stricter pollution rules, the largest U.S. automaker has recognized that its response must go beyond the mothballing of large truck plants, the people said. ``This is a very big change for GM,'' said John Wolkonowicz, an analyst at Global Insight Inc. in Lexington, Massachusetts. ``They have no choice. There's never been as rapid a shift in consumer demand in the history of the auto industry.'' GM, turning 100 this year, has few options to re-inventing itself. The company reported its largest annual loss in 2007, $38.7 billion, after a tax accounting change, and hasn't had a profitable year since 2004. The carmaker's U.S. market share hovers at the lowest level since 1925, and last year GM was 3,000 cars away from being dethroned by Toyota Motor Corp. as the world's largest automaker. Smaller Than Mattel The company's current market value is smaller than that of Mattel Inc., maker of Matchbox cars, and a 10th what it was in 2000. A Merrill Lynch analyst said yesterday that a GM ``bankruptcy is not impossible if the market continues to deteriorate.'' GM rose 15 cents, or 1.2 percent, to $10.13 at 8:56 a.m. before regular New York Stock Exchange trading. Yesterday, GM fell 15 percent after Merrill downgraded the stock to ``underperform'' from ``buy.'' The price was the lowest since 1954 adjusted for splits, according to Global Financial Data in Los Angeles. Besides the Beat, GM is weighing a list of options for refocusing its auto lineup on fuel efficiency rather than performance. They include the U.S. introduction of a small pickup popular in Latin America and an expansion of the number of versions of the Volt plug-in electric car, the people said. GM is also trying to increase production and speed up availability of the successor to the Chevy Cobalt sedan and develop a fuel-efficient alternative to the Cadillac Escalade sport-utility vehicle, they said. Portfolio Review ``We are looking at and reviewing our entire portfolio, not just because gasoline is $4 but because of stricter government fuel economy regulations,'' GM spokesman Dee Allen said, referring to U.S. requirements that automakers reduce fuel use 40 percent by 2020. He declined to discuss specific projects. Already, GM has reassigned engineers to many of the projects, according to the people familiar with the planning. The company is taking them from SUV and truck programs suspended while awaiting the return of customers. Now, these people said, GM sees no point in waiting. ``This is the biggest change that we have seen at GM in three decades in terms of engineering,'' said Jim Hall, principal of 2953 Analytics, an automotive consulting firm in Birmingham, Michigan. Close to Smart The automaker unveiled the Beat as a prototype at the New York auto show in April 2007, along with two other 40 mpg Chevy small-car concepts. Besides two hybrid models, the only car in the U.S. that comes close to the Beat's projected fuel efficiency is Daimler AG's Smart car, with 36 mpg, according to Yahoo! Autos. At about 138 inches (3505 millimeters) long, the Beat would be among the smallest cars sold in the U.S. Only the 106-inch Smart car is shorter. Sales of the smallest cars in the U.S. have risen 31 percent in the first half this year as the industry total fell 10 percent and the largest SUVs 31 percent. GM reported a 21 percent plunge in U.S. sales of pickups, SUVs and vans for the first six months. In November, GM said it approved a model based on the Beat prototype for markets outside the U.S. and Canada starting next year. GM wouldn't disclose where the new vehicle would be built. GM may also expand the Volt electric car program, the people said. GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz, 76, said last month the company currently plans to build about 60,000 Volts a year after they go on sale in late 2010. The product is designed to drive 40 miles on a charge from a household outlet before an onboard engine recharges the battery. Variation on the Volt ``The Volt is going to have far more variations than people imagine,'' said Hall, who studies GM's plans for future models. The small pickup GM is considering for the U.S. would be similar to the Chevrolet Montana, according to the people with knowledge of the plans. The 174-inch Montana is sold in Brazil and in Mexico as the Tornado and in South Africa as the Opel Corsa Utility. The Chevrolet Colorado, GM's smallest U.S. pickup, is 192 inches. Additionally, Cadillac is considering a smaller SUV, known internally as the MiniSlade, as a more fuel-efficient option to the large Escalade SUV. To contact the reporter on this story: Jeff Green in Southfield, Michigan at jgreen16@bloomberg.net

03-07-08, 16:43	#3 (permalink)
anomalo avrò pochi eredi Data registrazione: Nov 2007 Messaggi: 4,461 Popolarità: 42941088	RISOLTO ecquivoco su pagamento cedola. io ho quelle in usd (giusto per farmi ancora più male...) ISIN US370442BT17 Mercato EuroTLX Divisa Emissione USD Divisa Negoziazione USD Emittente General Motors Scadenza 15/07/2033 Tasso nominale annuo 8.375

03-07-08, 16:57	#4 (permalink)
Methos Member Data registrazione: May 2002 Messaggi: 6,391 Popolarità: 42949683	Ringraziamo gli analisti che ci dicono che gm non và in ch 11 domani... Certo che vedendo come operano capisco perchè le loro banche perdono mld. Analyst: GM not in immediate danger of bankruptcy Thursday July 3, 10:47 am ET Analyst: General Motors not in immediate danger of bankruptcy, but will need to raise cash DETROIT (AP) -- An auto analyst with JPMorgan says General Motors Corp. is not in danger of an imminent bankruptcy, but will need to raise about $10 billion in cash to weather the downturn in U.S. auto sales. Analyst Himanshu Patel said Thursday in a conference call that fears of a bankruptcy have been overblown. GM's shares slid to a 54-year low Wednesday on worries about the company's cash needs and speculation about a bankruptcy filing. GM shares are up 3.6 percent to $10.34 Thursday. Patel says GM will likely seek more cash and announce further restructuring in the third quarter of this year. But he says GM doesn't need the cash immediately, since it has enough to fund what he expects will be an $18 billion cash burn through 2009.

03-07-08, 16:59	#5 (permalink)
Methos Member Data registrazione: May 2002 Messaggi: 6,391 Popolarità: 42949683	Ringraziamo anche Mr. Murphy analista della merrill per il terremoto di questi due giorni...

03-07-08, 17:01	#6 (permalink)
popov -Internet +Cabernet Data registrazione: Feb 2001 Messaggi: 22,856 Popolarità: 42949684	ed infatti il gmac 2008 sta già a quasi 97 in lettera. ma pensavano davvero che fallisse oggi?

03-07-08, 17:01	#7 (permalink)
TheLondoner Age quod agis Data registrazione: May 2007 Messaggi: 5,740 Popolarità: 42949678	ciao Methos General Motors XS0171942757 GENERAL MOT. 03.07.2013 7.25 EUR emissione € 1.000.000.000,00 US370442BS34 GENERAL MOT. 15.07.2013 7.125 USD emissione $ 1.000.000.000,00 XS0171943649 GENERAL MOT. 05.07.2033 8.375 EUR emissione € 1.500.000.000,00 US370442BT17 GENERAL MOT. 15.07.2033 8.375 USD emissione $ 3.000.000.000,00 GMAC XS0176202587 GMAC CANADA 12.09.2008 6.652 EUR emissione € 400.000.000,00 XS0182179886 GMAC CANADA 17.12.2010 6.625 GBP emissione £ 200.000.000,00 XS0190015122 GMAC INTL FIN 07.04.2008 5.974 EUR emissione € 300.000.000,00 US370425SG63 GMAC LLC 09.05.2008 5.125 USD emissione $ 1.000.000.000,00 XS0171922486 GMAC LLC 03.07.2008 6.0 EUR emissione € 1.500.000.000,00 XS0195560262 GMAC LLC 30.06.2009 6.015 EUR emissione € 750.000.000,00 XS0200959970 GMAC LLC 14.09.2009 4.75 EUR emissione € 1.250.000.000,00 XS0177329603 GMAC LLC 27.09.2010 5.75 EUR emissione € 1.000.000.000,00 XS0187751150 GMAC LLC 06.06.2011 5.375 EUR emissione € 1.500.000.000,00 US370425SE16 GMAC LLC 28.08.2012 6.875 USD emissione $ 1.500.000.000,00

03-07-08, 17:03	#9 (permalink)
i98mark Madoff forever ! Data registrazione: Nov 2005 Messaggi: 19,165 Popolarità: 0	Domani è il 4 di luglio, per gli americani è la tipica data di inzio delle ferie (sebbene lì siano molto più scaglionate ecc. ecc.) Il petrolio è, guarda caso, ai massimi (e i prezzi alla pompa pure...) I prezzi delle case automobilistiche ai loro minimi 50ennali (i loro conti fanno schifo, va bene, ma anche 9 mesi fa facevano schifo, e si prevedeva che i primi due trimestri USA sarebbero stati di recessione, che invece, per ora, ancora non si è vista). Dormo molto bene non avendo i bond del 3D in portafoglio, però la cosa non mi convince ... solo congetture, intendiamoci...

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