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Vecchio 30-04-10, 09:44   #1 (permalink)
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percentuale di recovery

Salve fregati è un po che non seguo per gravi problemi lavorativi, volevo chiedere se la percentuale di recovery era stata stabilita e se ci sono novità sulla tempistica e sulle modalità di rimborso.
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17,4% per LBHI 19,5% per LBT in cinque anni.
Ma il mercato sconta recuperi più alti perchè prezza LBHI 21-23 e LBT 25-27.
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eccomi...ricevuto...e grazie ad esse per l'avviso di "spostamento"

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Convegno Martingale Risk Padova 29/4

La riunione di Martingale è stata molto lunga e sostanzialmente hanno decritto e commentato su slides una perizia molto simile alle perizie che andremo ad utilizzare per la nostra causa contro PATTI CHIARI e AGENZIE RATING.
Praticamente erano presenti solo avvocati, il Dr.Sirone del Comune di Padova, con il quale ho scambiato informazioni sulle rispettive cause, e un’eroico airolbino da Genova
Quindi sostanzialmente nulla di nuovo, se non un ipotesi di lavoro sulla quale vi riferiremo se andrà in porto.
La conferma indiretta che le nostre perizie sono state fatte realmente bene (ma su cui ancora non possiamo anticipare nulla ) è stata l'accoglienza degli avvocati in sala sui vari dati presentati, che fanno ben capire come il problema Lehman fosse chiaro agli operatori sin da fine 2007.

Altra notizia importante:
Grazie al gentilissimo Dr.D'Angerio del Sole 24Ore lunedì uscirà sul quotidiano un articolo sulle agenzie di rating che parla anche della nostra iniziativa legale.
Prego qualcuno di postarlo, io non riesco perchè dovrei ancora essere fuori ufficio.
Grazie.
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Ripropongo il "MEMO" causa cambio volume!!..... (votate! votate!! votate!!!)

Ricordati di votare, tutti i giorni , il sito di AIROLB.
È importante in quanto ci permette di acquistare indirizzi e spazio web in modo gratuito ed inoltre ci da la possibilità di avere una maggior visibilità sui principali motori di ricerca.
Chi non l’ha mai fatto o non ricorda più come si fa trova le istruzioni nell’allegato.

DA QUESTO LINK, PUBBLICATO OGNI MATTINA ALLE 8, ACCEDERETE VELOCEMENTE AL SITO !!.........

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La riunione di Martingale è stata molto lunga e sostanzialmente hanno decritto e commentato su slides una perizia molto simile alle perizie che andremo ad utilizzare per la nostra causa contro PATTI CHIARI e AGENZIE RATING.
Praticamente erano presenti solo avvocati, il Dr.Sirone del Comune di Padova, con il quale ho scambiato informazioni sulle rispettive cause, e un’eroico airolbino da Genova
Quindi sostanzialmente nulla di nuovo, se non un ipotesi di lavoro sulla quale vi riferiremo se andrà in porto.
La conferma indiretta che le nostre perizie sono state fatte realmente bene (ma su cui ancora non possiamo anticipare nulla ) è stata l'accoglienza degli avvocati in sala sui vari dati presentati, che fanno ben capire come il problema Lehman fosse chiaro agli operatori sin da fine 2007.

Altra notizia importante:
Grazie al gentilissimo Dr.D'Angerio del Sole 24Ore lunedì uscirà sul quotidiano un articolo sulle agenzie di rating che parla anche della nostra iniziativa legale.
Prego qualcuno di postarlo, io non riesco perchè dovrei ancora essere fuori ufficio.
Grazie.
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Prima di tutto grazie della disponibilita' e cortesia , poi domando :Martingale e' lo stesso tecnico che ha elaborato la perizia per Airolb ? ma e' un caso che lo abbiano chiamato anche a Padova ????
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....... un’eroico airolbino ......... un ipotesi di lavoro............
Il latino non lo conosciamo, pazienza! L'italiano, invece? o basta essere "pragmatici" perché la sua conoscenza sia facoltativa?
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Greece Turmoil Roils Biggest Europe IPOs Since Lehman (Update2)
April 30, 2010, 9:07 AM EDT

(Adds pricing of Kuzbass in 15th paragraph, Avangardco’s IPO and Essar’s valuation in ‘Most Since 2007’ section.)

By Zijing Wu and Inyoung Hwang

April 30 (Bloomberg) -- European companies are attempting the biggest initial public offerings in three years just as sovereign-debt downgrades spur the most market turmoil since the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.

As Madrid-based flight-reservations provider Amadeus IT Holding SA and Poland’s PZU SA priced IPOs worth $4.5 billion this week, companies from UralChem Holding Plc and Grupo T-Solar Global SA to OAO Kuzbass Fuel Co. and Essar Energy Ltd. postponed or reduced their offerings.

While IPOs in the region are raising more than in the U.S. this year, Barclays Wealth, Baring Asset Management and Clariden Leu say Europe’s debt downgrades may damp demand or drive companies to offer concessions to buyers. European stocks had the biggest slump in five months as credit ratings for Greece and Portugal were cut.

“It’s going to be a tough environment,” said Michael Dicks, the London-based head of research at Barclays Wealth, which oversees $230 billion. “The sweet spot for these riskier deals was probably before the sovereign-debt news came back. These problems are not just going to go away.”

Essar Energy, a unit of India’s Essar Group, today cut the price for its $2.2 billion London IPO below the initial range, while Moscow-based fertilizer producer UralChem yesterday postponed its $642 million share sale in London.

Stock-Market Volatility

The VStoxx Index, a gauge of options to protect against losses on the benchmark Euro Stoxx 50 Index, rose as much as 40 percent in the two days ended April 28, the most since October 2008, a month after New York-based Lehman failed in the largest ever bankruptcy.

European companies raised more than $11 billion in IPOs this year through yesterday, exceeding 2009’s $7.7 billion total and the $6.5 billion from the U.S., according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The amount for Europe is the most for the first four months of any year since 2007. Almost 85 percent of Europe’s offerings this year were completed since March, as the Stoxx Europe 600 Index rallied as much as 15 percent from its February low.

Amadeus, the flight-reservations provider controlled by BC Partners Ltd. and Cinven Ltd., sold 1.32 billion euros ($1.74 billion) of shares on April 27, the biggest IPO in Spain since Valencia-based Iberdrola Renovables SA’s 4.48 billion-euro deal in 2007.

Relative Value

PZU of Warsaw raised 8.1 billion zloty ($2.7 billion) yesterday at the high end of its price range in Poland’s biggest IPO since the creation of the Warsaw Stock Exchange.

The IPO valued Poland’s biggest insurance company at 10.3 times its estimated 2010 net income, Wroclaw, Poland-based Bank Zachodni WBK SA said before the sale. That was less than the median 11.7 times estimated price-earnings for 92 property and casualty insurers globally, data compiled by Bloomberg show.

“Some IPOs may become hostage to market turbulence caused by Greece and other weaker economies” in the short term, said Nick Williams, Credit Suisse Group AG’s London-based head of equity-capital markets for Europe, Middle East and Africa. “Investors remain engaged. We still expect the second quarter to be more constructive than the beginning of the year.”

Stocks have stumbled this week after Standard & Poor’s lowered Greek debt to junk and cut Portugal by two steps. The Stoxx Europe 600 gauge slumped 3.1 percent on April 27, the biggest drop since November, and extended its decline after Spain’s rating was reduced a day later.

T-Solar, UralChem

T-Solar of Madrid shelved its 250 million-euro IPO the day that Greece and Portugal were downgraded. The world’s biggest owner of solar-panel installations said the Spanish government created regulatory uncertainty that hurt investor confidence.

UralChem, Russia’s second-largest maker of nitrogen-based fertilizer, said that in current market conditions its London offering “cannot be priced at a level which reflects a fair value of the company.”

Kuzbass, the Kemerovo, Siberia-based producer of coal for power stations, priced its Moscow IPO at $6.50 a share, below an initial range of $7.70 to $10.40.

“The macroeconomic headwinds are considerable,” said James Buckley, a London-based director at Baring Asset Management, which oversees about $44 billion. “You can see lower-risk appetite, which makes it more difficult to IPO anything that isn’t a pretty copper-bottom investment.”

Most Since 2007

Companies in Europe, Middle East and Africa may sell as much as $60 billion in shares through IPOs this year, according to an estimate by Zurich-based Credit Suisse. That would be the most since 2007, when they raised more than $117 billion, data compiled by Bloomberg show.

Avangardco Investments Public Ltd., Ukraine’s largest egg producer, said in a statement today that it raised $187.5 million in its London IPO. The Kiev-based company sold 12.5 million depositary receipts at $15 each after offering them for $13.80 to $17.80.

That would give Essar a market value of about 41.5 times net income of $207 million, almost three times the median ratio of 14.7 for integrated-oil companies, Bloomberg data show.

Essar’s Billionaires

The offering would help Essar Group, founded by billionaires Shashi and Ravi Ruia, expand power generation, oil refining and energy exploration to meet demand in India.

“Successful IPOs will have to be a win-win situation for both the company and investors,” said Matthias Fankhauser, a Zurich-based fund manager at Clariden Leu, which oversees about $100 billion. “At a time like now, investors have the power to ask for a bigger discount.”

--With assistance from Michael Tsang in New York. Editors: Daniel Hauck, Chris Nagi.

To contact the reporters on this story: Zijing Wu in London at zwu17@bloomberg.net; Inyoung Hwang in New York at ihwang7@bloomberg.net.

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Daniel Hauck at dhauck1@bloomberg.net.
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Il latino non lo conosciamo, pazienza! L'italiano, invece? o basta essere "pragmatici" perché la sua conoscenza sia facoltativa?
Scusate ero un po' stanco, sono rientrato ieri sera tardi dalla riunione.
Non mi sembra di averti visto, chi è venuto per OLBI?
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