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GM / GMAC vol. 34 - Obiettivo 17/2

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GM / GMAC 33 - Trattative cruciali


Siamo al tomo 34, ...stiamo "macinando" un tomo ogni 4 gg. , i gestori del FOL saranno felici...


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...with bondholders required to accept about 30 cents on the dollar.
But creditors are looking for 50 cents on the dollar, which they say mirrors the value of concessions being negotiated with the United Auto Workers, the Detroit News said...
50% contro 30%.
Ricordo che la partita si stà giocando per meno di 9 MLD di $. Gli incentivi alla produzione di motori a propulsione alternativa, da soli, erano di 7 MLD di $.
A stò punto è questione di logica, nemmeno di politica o di interventismo di stato.
E' sempre stato così

Tutti qui speriamo che la logica prevalga, ma alla fine la DECISIONE sarà TUTTA politica e per fortuna sarà Sant'Obama a prenderla

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Si viene da qui:

GM / GMAC 33 - Trattative cruciali


Siamo al tomo 34
Ragazzi mi sono appena collegato e se non ho capito male forse anche noi piccoli obbligazionisti potremmo partecipare allo swap Gm io ho gm 2033 $ a 16 cosa mi potrebbe succedere?

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Ragazzi mi sono appena collegato e se non ho capito male forse anche noi piccoli obbligazionisti potremmo partecipare allo swap Gm io ho gm 2033 $ a 16 cosa mi potrebbe succedere?

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Se le indiscrezioni pubblicate saranno veritiere, e sopratutto SE deciderai di aderire al concambio che proporrà GM, riceverai 10 in cash che ti ripagano parte del tuo investimento (scommessa fino a prova contraria ), ed avendo investito solo 5 avrai in cambio 40 di nominale e 50 in equity GM

ALTRIMENTI, se non vorrai accettare la proposta, ti dovrai accontentare solo di 100 di nominale...

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Ragazzi mi sono appena collegato e se non ho capito male forse anche noi piccoli obbligazionisti potremmo partecipare allo swap Gm io ho gm 2033 $ a 16 cosa mi potrebbe succedere?

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E' troppo presto per dirlo

Sono in gioco tanti fattori, il piano che presenterà GM entro la data cruciale del 17/2, l'offerta pubblica di scambio di cui non conosciamo i dettagli e che sarà presentata ai bondholders, l'ammissione o meno per l'Italia alla proposta di concambio, la TUA volontà o meno ad accettare la proposta...
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Mi sembra di avere una bella prospettiva avanti a me/NOI
Speriamo di poter rientrare lunedì a prezi accettabili su gm 2013 anche in euro
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hey policeman.. it is true they just talk about institutionals, but how do you explain the numbers then: 65% debt reduction, or even the 50% recently forecast, wouldn't just be possible only addressing institutionals. That is, the offer will go to retail segment as well.
Then, we just have to see if it could be forced, if it is going to be allowed in Italy and so on.. there is the Chrysler case in the 80's in which swap was forced.

I really don't know what to expect.. but looking just at the quotes, any option is still open.. I wouldn't be sure of anything
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la Pelozza torna all'attacco:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Restructuring plans due on Tuesday from General Motors Corp and Chrysler LLC must show that the Detroit automakers are willing to "make the tough decisions," U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Friday.

In letters to GM and Chrysler, Pelosi and House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank said the restructuring plans must include a documented assessment of each company's long-term viability and a target market size. Copies of the letters were obtained by Reuters.

GM and Chrysler were given $17.4 billion in a taxpayer bailout in December. The companies must prove to the government by March 31 that they can survive and be competitive.

"We trust that your restructuring plan will demonstrate to the world that you are willing to make the tough decisions that modernize your operations, restructure your debt, enhance your competitive status in the global marketplace, and protect American jobs for the future," Pelosi and Frank said in identical letters to each automaker.

The letter told the automakers that their restructuring plans must also include:

* Debt restructuring that protects taxpayers' interest

* Assurance that taxpayers will benefit as the auto industry improves

* A commitment that sacrifices "will be shared equitably" by all stakeholders

* an ability to meet tougher fuel efficiency standards

* an ability to meet California's tougher emissions standards, if approved by the federal government. (Reporting by John Crawley; Editing by Tim Dobbyn)
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hey policeman.. it is true they just talk about institutionals, but how do you explain the numbers then: 65% debt reduction, or even the 50% recently forecast, wouldn't just be possible only addressing institutionals. That is, the offer will go to retail segment as well.
Then, we just have to see if it could be forced, if it is going to be allowed in Italy and so on.. there is the Chrysler case in the 80's in which swap was forced.

I really don't know what to expect.. but looking just at the quotes, any option is still open.. I wouldn't be sure of anything
Anche a me piacerebbe approfondire questo aspetto, che finora è stato poco discusso sul 3d. Il debito cmq non verrebbe ridotto, se le percentuali fossero queste. La risposta che azzardo è quella che l'obiettivo di portare al 35% il debito di GM sia per questa una soglia da rimettere ampiamente in discussione col governo. Ci vorrebbe cmq un prospetto che riportasse la % di distribuzine del debito tra retail e istituzionali, in modo da poterci fare 2 conti.
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The letter told the automakers that their restructuring plans must also include:

* Debt restructuring that protects taxpayers' interest

* A commitment that sacrifices "will be shared equitably" by all stakeholders

...
Due punti MOLTO importanti a nostro favore:

1- non si parla dell'obiettivo 33% di corker (si vede che adesso comandano i DEM !)

2- i sacrifici "devono essere condivisi EQUAMENTE" tra tutti gli stakeholders

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hey policeman.. it is true they just talk about institutionals, but how do you explain the numbers then: 65% debt reduction, or even the 50% recently forecast, wouldn't just be possible only addressing institutionals. That is, the offer will go to retail segment as well.
Then, we just have to see if it could be forced, if it is going to be allowed in Italy and so on.. there is the Chrysler case in the 80's in which swap was forced.

I really don't know what to expect.. but looking just at the quotes, any option is still open.. I wouldn't be sure of anything
They can only make an offer which can be accepted or refused by retail bondholders,similar to the GMAC offer NOTHING ELSE.ANY WHATSOEVER MODIFICATION OF THE BONDS IS CONSIDERD DEFAULT.let us pray that the plan they shall present next tuesday is accepted by the government otherwise it is CH 11. I cannot remember the chrysler case."a commtment that sacrifices"will be shared equitably"by all stakeholders,e molto molto vaga e si estende a sindacati,banche,obbligazionisti e altrietc...Insisto su mio punto di vista,solo un offerta accettato o rifuitata altrimenti un ch.11

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