GM / GMAC 26 - Who wants to believe forever?

[lodovan]

intanto in svezia sganciano 28 bln, 3.44 bln$ senza fare tanti c.azzi a volvo e saab.. insomma un pò per la Saab, meno male!

[The Beast]

AP
Murky future for auto rescue amid GOP opposition
Thursday December 11, 7:18 am ET
By Julie Hirschfeld Davis and Ken Thomas, Associated Press Writer
Hard-fought auto bailout deal in peril as GOP senators voice strong opposition

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A House-passed bill to speed $14 billion in loans to Detroit's automakers stands on shaky ground in a bailout-weary Congress, undermined by Republican opposition that could derail the emergency aid in the Senate.

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Republicans are challenging lame-duck President George W. Bush on the proposal, arguing that any support for the domestic auto industry should carry significant concessions from autoworkers and creditors and reject tougher environmental rules imposed by House Democrats.

The House approved the plan late Wednesday on a vote of 237-170. It would infuse money within days into cash-starved General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC. Ford Motor Co., which has said it has enough cash to make it through 2009, would also be eligible for federal aid.

Supporters cited dire warnings from GM and Chrysler executives, who have said they could run out of cash within weeks, and concerns that a carmaker collapse would erase tens of thousands of jobs and jolt an already bleak economy.

Democrats and the Bush White House hoped the Senate would vote on the legislation as early as Thursday. But based on concerns raised by GOP senators -- and a still-uncertain level of support even among Democrats -- they had a lot of work to do.

A leading Senate Republican opponent said Thursday that he cannot back spending $14 billion of taxpayer money on a plan that would call for a restructuring of the industry, but which fails to detail just how that would be accomplished.

"I think that is putting the cart before the horse and isn't reponsible in terms of tax dollars," Sen. David Vitter of Louisiana said on CBS's "The Early Show."

The measure's murky outlook reflected the difficulty of approving another federal financial rescue on the heels of the deeply unpopular, $700 billion Wall Street bailout, as the clock ticks down on the current Congress and Bush's influence is at a low ebb.

"People realize that this bill is an incredibly weak bill (and) is the product of an administration that wants to kick the can down the road and let somebody else deal with it," said Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn.

Even Republicans representing states with automobile plants said the proposal was far from ideal. Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., whose state is home to five auto plants, said he wanted to see changes. Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio, said the bill lacked the necessary Republicans to pass the Senate.

The measure would create a government "car czar," to be named by Bush to issue the loans, empowered with the ability to yank back the loans and force the carmakers into bankruptcy next spring if they fail to cut quick deals with labor unions, creditors and others to restructure their businesses and become viable.

Opposition wasn't limited to Republicans.

Democratic Sen. Max Baucus of Montana is opposing the measure because of a provision to bail out transit agencies that were involved in transactions now considered unlawful tax shelters.

Under the House-passed bill, the carmakers would have to submit blueprints on March 31 to the industry overseer showing how they would restructure to ensure their survival, although they could be given until the end of May to negotiate with the government on a final agreement.

The automakers initially asked Congress for $25 billion, then returned two weeks later to plead for as much as $34 billion. But with the White House refusing to dole out new spending for the Big Three, congressional Democrats agreed to use an existing program that was to help carmakers retool their factories to make more fuel-efficient cars.

That fund yielded only $15 billion in emergency loans, and when negotiators agreed to leave some money in the environmental program, the amount fell to $14 billion.

Democrats agreed to scrap language -- which the White House had declared a deal-breaker -- that would have forced the carmakers to drop lawsuits challenging tough emissions limits in California and other states. But they kept a provision to force the automakers to abide by those states' limits -- a kind of consolation prize for environmentalists, who already were livid at the raid of the fuel-efficiency program.

Senate Democrats unveiled a nearly identical measure that omitted the requirement, but that bill still faced long odds.

The Bush administration is expected to work with President-elect Barack Obama's team on choosing the industry czar. The overseer would have say-so over any major business decisions by the automakers while they were taking advantage of federal aid, with veto power over any transaction of $100 million or more.

The measure also would attach an array of conditions to the bailout money, including some of the same restrictions imposed on banks as part of the $700 billion Wall Street rescue. Among them are limits on executive compensation, a prohibition on paying dividends and requirements that the government share in future profits and taxpayers be repaid before any other shareholders.

Also included in the bill is an unrelated pay raise for federal judges.

[lawrenceofarabia]

..il termine per la presentazione della bozza è il 31 Marzo "con possibilità di prolungare al 31 Maggio"

A quel punto ci sarà Obama e gli restituirà il bilione che gli hanno fregato nelle (finte) trattative più gli interessi più il resto..

Credo che non si saprà realmente nulla di quel che ci riguarda fino a quella data, possiamo preventivare da ora sino al fol N.50 con 2500 pagine di notizie al 60% inutili (il restante è inattendibile)

e poi (finalmente) lo zar è un "overseer"
Costui sarà pure un brillante avvocato azzeccagarbugli ma se dovesse nominare un collegio di periti indipendenti per valutare tutti i piani tecnico-industriali allora la voragine di liquidità passa da 2 bilioni al mese ad 1 fantastilione alla settimana

[lodovan]

ma quanto la stanno tirando lunga? é veramente peggio di una novela..
anche Bush aveva messo il sigillo.. magari solo per facciata

[lodovan]

leggevo che una delle condizioni dei repubblicani è che GM riduca il debito per due terzi entro metà Marzo.. azzz....

[barracuda08]

ma quanto la stanno tirando lunga? é veramente peggio di una novela..
anche Bush aveva messo il sigillo.. magari solo per facciata

azioni
G.M. -6
FORD -4

Temo che non sia solo un problema di facciata, tanto è vero che gli stessi democratici vogliono rinviare il voto al week end. 50 a 49 è un rapporto di forze assurdo se si tiene conto che devono raggiungere 60 voti.
Il problema è che Bush è a sua volta un lame duck la cui capacità di influenzare i repubblicani è vicina a zero. A parte gli irriducibili rep.del sud che voteranno contro anche se dovessero tornare all'età della pietra, anche solo per ragioni ideologiche, purtroppo anche alcuni demo sono contrari.
La cosa che mi preoccupa di più è che i creditori cominciano avoler essere pagati e GM non potrà rimandare ancora per molto.
E' come se ci fosse una precisa strategia di farla fallire per consunzione, oh di chi è stata la colpa? Stavamo dibattendo c'eravamo quasi anche la Casa Bianca era d'accordo e Obama non è riuscito, poverino, a salvare in tempo quella che per lui è l'ossatura degli USA.....ma è andata così e nessuno ci mette la firma sotto!!!!

[paullee]

President-elect Barack Obama said he’s “hopeful” that Congress will agree on an automobile industry rescue package this week, saying the collapse of U.S. automakers would have a “devastating ripple effect throughout
non è il solo a sperarlo

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Praticamente la danno già per fallita.........

E' sufficiente che non fallisca per prendere il 349% in 4,5 anni oltre alla cedola del 7.5% annua...

Qualcuno di voi ha scommesso?

[lawrenceofarabia]

..ed il mercato neppure altrimenti ci sarebe una pioggia di vendite impressionante

lo sanno bene che sarebbe uno shock sistemico che la Lehmans è stato un solletichino: chi vuole essere il primo a prendersi questa responsabilità??

i politici devono stare a galla comunque, quindi fanno sembrare che li stanno mettendo sotto torchio e se qualcuno (cioè tutti) da per scontato il salvataggio bisogna recitare fino in fondo.

io direi che l'obbligazione va bene sui 29 in questo momento (!)
era ritornata a 22 in un baleno, qualcuno evidentemente punta ma bisogna vedere di che volumi parliamo (forse solo "chips")

[barracuda08]

Obama vowed there is no connection between his incoming administration and the pay-to-play tactics Illinois Gov. Blagojevich

Andiamo bene! Questo rischia di essere un'anatra zoppa ancora prima di cominciare.