Non so se appoggiare o meno la proposta..

[ramirez]

Voi cosa dite ? Siete d'accordo con i tedeschi ?
su cosa ? prego leggere..
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It is a daunting goal for some. France, which is forecasting a public debt of 83 per cent of gross domestic product in 2010, would be required to reduce that by about 4 percentage points over three years. Italy, which is predicting debt of 116 per cent of GDP, would have to cut it by 8 percentage points
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Germany backs tough EU deficit rules
By Peter Spiegel in Brussels and Ben Hall in Paris

Published: September 26 2010 18:36 | Last updated: September 26 2010 18:36

The German finance minister has thrown his weight behind a European Union proposal for tough new rules and fines against member countries that fail to get their fiscal houses in order, setting up a showdown on Monday at a high-level meeting of his counterparts in Brussels.

In a letter to all 27 EU finance ministers, Wolfgang Schäuble said he “chiefly supports” the stringent proposals to be unveiled Wednesday by José Manuel Barroso, European Commission president, which include millions of euros in fines for countries that fail to cut sovereign debt levels
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ecco la proposta:
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The proposals to be unveiled on Wednesday by Mr Barroso and Olli Rehn, EU economic and monetary affairs commissioner, would require countries with public debt of more than 60 per cent of gross domestic product to reduce the excess by 5 per cent each year for three years or face a fine

[San Siro]

Originalmente inviato da ramirez

Voi cosa dite ? Siete d'accordo con i tedeschi ?
su cosa ? prego leggere..
.
It is a daunting goal for some. France, which is forecasting a public debt of 83 per cent of gross domestic product in 2010, would be required to reduce that by about 4 percentage points over three years. Italy, which is predicting debt of 116 per cent of GDP, would have to cut it by 8 percentage points
.
Germany backs tough EU deficit rules
By Peter Spiegel in Brussels and Ben Hall in Paris

Published: September 26 2010 18:36 | Last updated: September 26 2010 18:36

The German finance minister has thrown his weight behind a European Union proposal for tough new rules and fines against member countries that fail to get their fiscal houses in order, setting up a showdown on Monday at a high-level meeting of his counterparts in Brussels.

In a letter to all 27 EU finance ministers, Wolfgang Schäuble said he “chiefly supports” the stringent proposals to be unveiled Wednesday by José Manuel Barroso, European Commission president, which include millions of euros in fines for countries that fail to cut sovereign debt levels
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ecco la proposta:
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The proposals to be unveiled on Wednesday by Mr Barroso and Olli Rehn, EU economic and monetary affairs commissioner, would require countries with public debt of more than 60 per cent of gross domestic product to reduce the excess by 5 per cent each year for three years or face a fine

Ti sei risposto da solo.

E' una proposta da pir.loni.

Neanche Giavazzi & co. arriverebbero a tanto.

[scirè]

Originalmente inviato da ramirez

Voi cosa dite ? Siete d'accordo con i tedeschi ?
su cosa ? prego leggere..
.
It is a daunting goal for some. France, which is forecasting a public debt of 83 per cent of gross domestic product in 2010, would be required to reduce that by about 4 percentage points over three years. Italy, which is predicting debt of 116 per cent of GDP, would have to cut it by 8 percentage points
.
Germany backs tough EU deficit rules
By Peter Spiegel in Brussels and Ben Hall in Paris

Published: September 26 2010 18:36 | Last updated: September 26 2010 18:36

The German finance minister has thrown his weight behind a European Union proposal for tough new rules and fines against member countries that fail to get their fiscal houses in order, setting up a showdown on Monday at a high-level meeting of his counterparts in Brussels.

In a letter to all 27 EU finance ministers, Wolfgang Schäuble said he “chiefly supports” the stringent proposals to be unveiled Wednesday by José Manuel Barroso, European Commission president, which include millions of euros in fines for countries that fail to cut sovereign debt levels
.
ecco la proposta:
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The proposals to be unveiled on Wednesday by Mr Barroso and Olli Rehn, EU economic and monetary affairs commissioner, would require countries with public debt of more than 60 per cent of gross domestic product to reduce the excess by 5 per cent each year for three years or face a fine

così i krukki ci ammazzano definitvamente

[ramirez]

Originalmente inviato da San Siro

Ti sei risposto da solo.

E' una proposta da pir.loni.

Neanche Giavazzi & co. arriverebbero a tanto.

questo 'senso di superiorità' per cui uno che scrive in un forum
dà del pir.lone ad un ministro ed ad un Presidente di Comm.ne europea
mi lascia basito.
E' una proposta. La puoi accettare o meno,
ma dire che proviene da mi pare eccessivo.
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Per par condicio i pir.loni (secondo loro)
saremmo noi con quel debito pubblico sulle spalle..

[Birbun]

Il punto è che i tedeschi iniziano ad essere stufi delle chiacchere e vogliono vedere riduzioni effettive del debito pubblico di alcuni Paesi " a rischio".
Essere nell'Euro insieme ai tedeschi comporta anche delle responsabilità.

[skymap]

Ogni tanto sono d'accordo con San Siro, ma non mi limito al pir.la però non voglio scadere nella volgarità.

Se poi barroso e il suo amico lo ritengono fattibile, che è molto diverso da possibile, si accomodino e spieghino come e dove tagliare per quell'entità senza dover schierare battaglioni di polizia nelle strade.

[kimo]

basta considerare il debito aggregato e ci salviamo...

[ramirez]

"What has been lacking is some kind of incentive to manage finances responsibly," Trichet said. "Indeed, a core, absolutely indispensable, element of an effective surveillance mechanism is a functioning mechanism of incentives and sanctions - both financial and non-financial
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Sanctions to be quick and 'semi-automatic'

Trichet's comments support a proposal by European Economic Commissioner Olli Rehn to impose "semi-automatic" sanctions against such EU members who break budget rules.

The European Commission is to lay out the details of its enforcement plan on Wednesday. Reports say Rehn would propose fines of 0.2 percent of GDP for countries who repeatedly fail to comply with financial rules.

In addition, countries with slipping competitiveness or whose growth is based on "excessive imbalances" like the credit boom in the Baltic states would receive fines of 0.1 percent of GDP.

"Sanctions... need to be triggered early enough in the process so that they are essentially preventive," Rehn said Monday. "This is very important in order to ensure fiscal discipline, and sustainable growth in the EU
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c'è un solo sistema per 'mettere in riga gli italiani'...
visto che non siamo capaci di 'auto-adottarlo'
ben venga da 'fuori'...

[scirè]

Sì .. ma ridurre il debito di 1/20 ogni anno ... ci ammazza definitivamente ... ci vogliono anni pe arrivare al 60 % debito/PIL ....tanto vale un mega-patrimoniale subito e ci si leva il dente

[debitofilo]

una patrimoniale da 1000 miliardi e passa la vedo dura da affrontare